Snobish Heresy

i saw equilbrium and i hated it

Angie Matera wrote:

i saw equilbrium and i hated it

THISTHISTHIS
I can't stand that movie

Some of you were talking about NGE.
Hate to say this, but NGE is just poor man's version of Space Runaway Ideon. Sorry.

AssimanDHI wrote:

Some of you were talking about NGE.
Hate to say this, but NGE is just poor man's version of Space Runaway Ideon. Sorry.

I don't know much about anime, but I know what I like.

Take it as a suggestion.
NGE has so many similiarities to Ideon, that you would probably like Ideon as well.

AssimanDHI wrote:

Take it as a suggestion.
NGE has so many similiarities to Ideon, that you would probably like Ideon as well.

Yeah i am a big fan of both series lol. im noit a fan of naruto or bleach though

Son Of Jack Deth wrote:

I think Insurrection is the best of the Star Trek next generation crew films.

I abhor Kevin Smith movies except Clerks.

I hated Jurassic Park 2, X-Men 2, Spiderman 2, and thought The Dark Knight was terribly over-rated.

i am a fan of kevin smith except cop out and jersey girl. i agree with u on jurrassic park 2 and i hate all 3 spider mans. i dont know if this is more geek herisey then snob hersey but i have never seen a single thing involing anything after the oringal crew.(except the new Star trek but has the oirngal crew just new actors)

Angie Matera wrote:

Son Of Jack Deth wrote:

I think Insurrection is the best of the Star Trek next generation crew films.

I abhor Kevin Smith movies except Clerks.

I hated Jurassic Park 2, X-Men 2, Spiderman 2, and thought The Dark Knight was terribly over-rated.

i am a fan of kevin smith except cop out and jersey girl. i agree with u on jurrassic park 2 and i hate all 3 spider mans. i dont know if this is more geek herisey then snob hersey but i have never seen a single thing involing anything after the oringal crew.(except the new Star trek but has the oirngal crew just new actors)

Star Trek is more a generational thing, so I wouldn't call it any sort of heresy myself to have not seen them. I grow up in a period when Star Trek 2 was a theatrical event. Since that film, I have only missed one Star Trek film in the theater and that was Nemesis (and that turned out to be a good choice).

As for Kevin Smith films, he is all yours.

Son Of Jack Deth wrote:

Angie Matera wrote:

Son Of Jack Deth wrote:

I think Insurrection is the best of the Star Trek next generation crew films.

I abhor Kevin Smith movies except Clerks.

I hated Jurassic Park 2, X-Men 2, Spiderman 2, and thought The Dark Knight was terribly over-rated.

i am a fan of kevin smith except cop out and jersey girl. i agree with u on jurrassic park 2 and i hate all 3 spider mans. i dont know if this is more geek herisey then snob hersey but i have never seen a single thing involing anything after the oringal crew.(except the new Star trek but has the oirngal crew just new actors)

Star Trek is more a generational thing, so I wouldn't call it any sort of heresy myself to have not seen them. I grow up in a period when Star Trek 2 was a theatrical event. Since that film, I have only missed one Star Trek film in the theater and that was Nemesis (and that turned out to be a good choice).

As for Kevin Smith films, he is all yours.

Oh it is kinda ironic that i who am only 21 only know the oringal series and movies lol

I third the Equilibrium hate.

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

Hmm...second.

I like "The Boondock Saints"

I think this might be the worst first post ever.

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

I didn't hate the 2009 Friday the 13th. It was more an alternate part 2 or 3 than a remake, which made it easier to accept. I couldn't stand most of the characters and the "kids doing stuff/each other" scenes that pad out the plot and murder parts of the movie, but when it was good I thought it really worked. Clay's hunt to find his sister was cool in a vaguely giallo way, it didn't have that glossy, modern horror look, and the continuity nods were fun (recreating the end of the first movie and announcing it as such, Jason wearing the Town that Dreaded Sundown pillowcase from Part 2 until finding the mask in the barn recreated from Part 3, campers telling Jason's story around the fireplace like in Part 2, etc.). It absolutely could have been better, but for what it was, I didn't mind.

The Dude wrote:

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

Yes, many of it's readers think their reading something more then what it is...a comic book from Japan. Just like die hard anime fans...at the end of the day, all you're watching is a cartoon...from Japan...no better or worse then Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo.

bjohn268 wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

Yes, many of it's readers think their reading something more then what it is...a comic book from Japan. Just like die hard anime fans...at the end of the day, all you're watching is a cartoon...from Japan...no better or worse then Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo.

You're kind of comparing apples and oranges. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and Scooby Doo can be compared to a few anime, like Azumanga Daioh and other "slice of life" and comedy anime that don't have any sort of overarching plot, but if you're going to compare the majority of anime to western cartoons at least use cartoons of a similar vein. Justice League, Gargoyles, Batman: The Animated Series, and so on are all much better comparisons than Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny when talking about most anime.

moonsknight wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

Yes, many of it's readers think their reading something more then what it is...a comic book from Japan. Just like die hard anime fans...at the end of the day, all you're watching is a cartoon...from Japan...no better or worse then Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo.

You're kind of comparing apples and oranges. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and Scooby Doo can be compared to a few anime, like Azumanga Daioh and other "slice of life" and comedy anime that don't have any sort of overarching plot, but if you're going to compare the majority of anime to western cartoons at least use cartoons of a similar vein. Justice League, Gargoyles, Batman: The Animated Series, and so on are all much better comparisons than Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny when talking about most anime.

I believe Bjohn's point wasn't comparative style or story, but that to the Japanese "anime" is simply short for "animation" and to them is no different than the way we perceive animation here.

[quote="Son Of Jack Deth"]

moonsknight wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

Yes, many of it's readers think their reading something more then what it is...a comic book from Japan. Just like die hard anime fans...at the end of the day, all you're watching is a cartoon...from Japan...no better or worse then Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo.

You're kind of comparing apples and oranges. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and Scooby Doo can be compared to a few anime, like Azumanga Daioh and other "slice of life" and comedy anime that don't have any sort of overarching plot, but if you're going to compare the majority of anime to western cartoons at least use cartoons of a similar vein. Justice League, Gargoyles, Batman: The Animated Series, and so on are all much better comparisons than Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny when talking about most anime.

I believe Bjohn's point wasn't comparative style or story, but that to the Japanese "anime" is simply short for "animation" and to them is no different than the way we perceive animation here.[/quote]

Yes, at the end of the day Manga is just a comic book, from Japan. It's in the same relm as DC or Marvel. And yes, at the end of the day anime is a cartoon, from Japan. And it's in the same relm as Disney, Loony Toons and Hanna-Barbera.

[quote="bjohn268"]

Son Of Jack Deth wrote:

moonsknight wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

Yes, many of it's readers think their reading something more then what it is...a comic book from Japan. Just like die hard anime fans...at the end of the day, all you're watching is a cartoon...from Japan...no better or worse then Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo.

You're kind of comparing apples and oranges. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and Scooby Doo can be compared to a few anime, like Azumanga Daioh and other "slice of life" and comedy anime that don't have any sort of overarching plot, but if you're going to compare the majority of anime to western cartoons at least use cartoons of a similar vein. Justice League, Gargoyles, Batman: The Animated Series, and so on are all much better comparisons than Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny when talking about most anime.

I believe Bjohn's point wasn't comparative style or story, but that to the Japanese "anime" is simply short for "animation" and to them is no different than the way we perceive animation here.[/quote]

Yes, at the end of the day Manga is just a comic book, from Japan. It's in the same relm as DC or Marvel. And yes, at the end of the day anime is a cartoon, from Japan. And it's in the same relm as Disney, Loony Toons and Hanna-Barbera.

That's stupid. Something isn't any less of an artform because it is animated or drawn. It's just as legitimate a medium as literature or film. Comparing Evangelion or Akira to Looney Toons is like comparing the films of Alfred Hitchcock to Jingle All the Way.

[quote="Dr. Poqui-chan"]

bjohn268 wrote:

Son Of Jack Deth wrote:

moonsknight wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

Yes, many of it's readers think their reading something more then what it is...a comic book from Japan. Just like die hard anime fans...at the end of the day, all you're watching is a cartoon...from Japan...no better or worse then Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo.

You're kind of comparing apples and oranges. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and Scooby Doo can be compared to a few anime, like Azumanga Daioh and other "slice of life" and comedy anime that don't have any sort of overarching plot, but if you're going to compare the majority of anime to western cartoons at least use cartoons of a similar vein. Justice League, Gargoyles, Batman: The Animated Series, and so on are all much better comparisons than Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny when talking about most anime.

I believe Bjohn's point wasn't comparative style or story, but that to the Japanese "anime" is simply short for "animation" and to them is no different than the way we perceive animation here.[/quote]

Yes, at the end of the day Manga is just a comic book, from Japan. It's in the same relm as DC or Marvel. And yes, at the end of the day anime is a cartoon, from Japan. And it's in the same relm as Disney, Loony Toons and Hanna-Barbera.

That's stupid. Something isn't any less of an artform because it is animated or drawn. It's just as legitimate a medium as literature or film. Comparing Evangelion or Akira to Looney Toons is like comparing the films of Alfred Hitchcock to Jingle All the Way.

I never said it was less of an artform. I just find it interesting that many die hard manga and anime fans think it's more than what it is, a comic book and cartoon. At the same time dismissing DC/Marvel and anyother American animation, because their just comic books or cartoons.

But manga is no better or worse then DC or Marvel. And anime is no better or worse then Loony Toons or Hanna-Barbera.

Maybe you need to take off the wapanese and weeaboo glasses.

[quote="bjohn268"]

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

Son Of Jack Deth wrote:

moonsknight wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Dr. Poqui-chan wrote:

bjohn268 wrote:

While I don't hate manga, I hate that some of their readers have the attitude that reading One Peice or what-ever-flavor-of-the-month is superoir then the lastest Batman, Spider-Man or Green Lantern. Sometimes I just want to tell all of the 14-year-olds who horde around the manga section at Barnes and Noble that all their reading is a poorly drawn, poorly written black and white comic book.

If you're going to insult an entire medium at least don't list a shounen as your example. Much like Spiderman, One Piece stopped being good a long time ago.

He's not insulting the media, he's expressing disdain for the kind of kids who get a sense of superiority from reading manga while shunning western comics.

Yes, many of it's readers think their reading something more then what it is...a comic book from Japan. Just like die hard anime fans...at the end of the day, all you're watching is a cartoon...from Japan...no better or worse then Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny or Scooby Doo.

You're kind of comparing apples and oranges. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and Scooby Doo can be compared to a few anime, like Azumanga Daioh and other "slice of life" and comedy anime that don't have any sort of overarching plot, but if you're going to compare the majority of anime to western cartoons at least use cartoons of a similar vein. Justice League, Gargoyles, Batman: The Animated Series, and so on are all much better comparisons than Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny when talking about most anime.

I believe Bjohn's point wasn't comparative style or story, but that to the Japanese "anime" is simply short for "animation" and to them is no different than the way we perceive animation here.[/quote]

Yes, at the end of the day Manga is just a comic book, from Japan. It's in the same relm as DC or Marvel. And yes, at the end of the day anime is a cartoon, from Japan. And it's in the same relm as Disney, Loony Toons and Hanna-Barbera.

That's stupid. Something isn't any less of an artform because it is animated or drawn. It's just as legitimate a medium as literature or film. Comparing Evangelion or Akira to Looney Toons is like comparing the films of Alfred Hitchcock to Jingle All the Way.

I never said it was less of an artform. But manga is no better or worse then DC or Marvel. And anime is no better or worse then Loony Toons or Hanna-Barbera.

Maybe you need to take off the wapanese and weeaboo glasses.

Alright, then I guess all film is on the same level as Looney Tunes as well.
As for weeaboo, do you even know what that means? I don't fucking want to be Japanese.

Comparing Evangelion and Akira to Looney Tunes is definitively not like comparing a Alfred Hitchcock movie to Jingle All the Way. There's supposedly some really brilliant moments in the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies cartoons, Tex Avery directed some of these and he's definitively not highly regarded for nothing. But these and Akira are still very different kind of cartoons, can't really compare them.

I think there's some misunderstanding here, it doesn't matter if were talking about good/bad American comics/cartoons or a good/bad Japanese manga/cartoon, they are still all included in the "comic book"/"cartoon" art form. Of course, Akira is probably better than you're average shitty kid cartoon, whatever the country of origin is.

Unless, maybe I'm reading all of this wrong.

I Am a Knock Off wrote:

Comparing Evangelion and Akira to Looney Tunes is definitively not like comparing a Alfred Hitchcock movie to Jingle All the Way. There's supposedly some really brilliant moments in the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies cartoons, Tex Avery directed some of these and he's definitively not highly regarded for nothing. But these and Akira are still very different kind of cartoons, can't really compare them.

I think there's some misunderstanding here, it doesn't matter if were talking about good/bad American comics/cartoons or a good/bad Japanese manga/cartoon, they are still all included in the "comic book"/"cartoon" art form. Of course, Akira is probably better than you're average shitty kid cartoon, whatever the country of origin is.

Unless, maybe I'm reading all of this wrong.

I think we're all reading this wrong. This feels like one big clusterfuck of misunderstanding.
Also yes comparing akira to Looney Tunes is like comparing Alfred Hitchcock to Jingle All the Way in that they're both very different things that share nothing in common but the fact that they're either film or animation. Anime and manga are comic books and cartoons, but comic books and cartoons are on the same level as film, so his entire point is stupid.