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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:21 am

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I just realized how way off, off, off topic we are. D'oh well.
The fuck are we supposed to be talking about again? Censorship?
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:24 am

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Tommy Wiseau wrote:
I just realized how way off, off, off topic we are. D'oh well.
The fuck are we supposed to be talking about again? Censorship?

Censorship, ratings, and personal feelings on what content you personally like or don't like and that sort of thing.

At least I think - it's been so long since we've mentioned it.

I guess for the fuck of it, I should mention a couple controversial movies in recent memory:

AntiChrist - Honestly, didn't enjoy this film; but other than an air of sexism, I didn't find it offensive. Just boring and a waste of talent (Willem DaFoe, and while I am not a Lars Von Trier fan; I do admit he is a fantastic cinematographer.)

The Human Centepede - A lot of people think I'm sick for this, but wasted potential. I actually thought the description of the centipede sounded like it could be disturbing and make for a freaky and fucked up flick. Instead it just ended up being completely retarded. OUtside of the scene where the doctor explained it, didn't care for the film. I honestly don't know why so many people felt it was the most "sick" movie out there, I can think of a million movies from the 70s and 80s that are far sicker. Far, far far sicker than this.

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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:46 am

I sat through about 25-30 minutes of AntiChrist...I had to turn it off after that....it just was so....boring to me...
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:11 pm

I generally agree with the American rating systems and such. If a parent doesn't see anything wrong with a movie, and thinks that they're child can handle it they should be allowed to show them whatever is in their interest. If someone feels that nudity isn't such a problem they can buy whatever is in question.

As for censorship I think their should be no government involvement on media that falls in the legal category (no animal abuse, murders, violating someones rights, ect). It should be the distributors that chose what can and can't be sold at their stores. So I prefer the American set up which basically follows this format to some degree, I would never want my government to force censorship like Germany or to even actively ban video games and movies like say Australia for the sole purpose of not having a 18+ or older rating system.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:35 am

I don't mind the rating system so much, except for when the movie makers decide to ammend parts of their movies, or when studios demand they do so, in order to get a lower rating to make it more appealing to a larger audience. It tends to damage the integrity of the original idea, I think anyway. Sometimes it is nice going to an R rated movie knowing there won't be an young kids annoying me, except for stupid giggly teenagers...man I'm a crotchety old man at 28...

My parents never really monitored or censored what I watched. I owned all the Nightmare on Elm Street and Puppet Master movies as soon as they were on VHS. I remember going to this video store, Prefered Video in Sheboygan WI, when I was a kid and I would rent R-rated movies all the time. My parents signed a waiver that allowed me to rent any movie(except porn) without a parent present. The movie theater used to be like that too, if my parents showed up when I bought my ticket, and said it was okay, I could enter an R-rated movie unattended. I remember about a year or two ago I couldn't take my 15 year old nephew to an R-rated movie, and I was going to be right there with him. So weird.

My brother was in the army and in Desert Storm, so when he came home we rented any movie he wanted and we'd all watch them together while he taped them via the two VCR set up, some of you may have done the same thing, some of you may be wondering what a VCR is. Seriously, I showed my 10 year old niece a VHS tape and she had no idea what it was! Ah life before computers and the internet. I don't know how this turned into Memory Lane, but now I really miss those days. Monster Vision with Joe Bob Rigss on TNT(I think) followed by Tales from the Crypt on HBO. I wasn't allowed to watch Tales, for some reason, so I would sneak over to the tv and turn the volume down to watch it. This was when I was 4 or 5. I was awesome.

I don't know how I would feel about my kids, were I to ever have any, watching R rated movies. I watched Silence of the Lambs when I was 7 years old. I'm still normal! Well, if you consider watching the worst movies ever made and getting a kick out of them, normal...
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:54 am

I hate censorship of any kind, no content bothers me, besides legiminate killing/raping/hurting of humans (i.e., snuff films). Legitimate animal killings, "extreme" pornography, SIMULATED rape including SIMULATED "baby-rape" (Seriban Film), nothing bothers me.

The rating system is in theory good because it is voluntary, and offers a quick guide to what is in movies. HOWEVER, it is twisted in its reasonably good purpose. It is too omnipresent. It may as well be involuntary. Theatres won't play movies not rated by the system, and only if they are below NC-17. I agree that theatres have the RIGHT to decide what films to play on their property (I am a complete libertarian), but it is annoying that they feel the need to.

Furthermore, the government gets involved, which is never good. They BAN the sale of movies above certain ratings to people below a certain age. IF a movie store decided PRIVATELY not to, for instance, sell A Seriban Film to a 7-year-old, that WOULD be acceptable (and even SOMEWHAT understandable). But when it becomes ILLEGAL to do, that is a problem. That is the government overstepping its boundaries.

But because the rating system is so omnipresent, stores often opt not to sell movies rated by it - again, their RIGHT to do so, but it is moderately annoying.

Now it seems to you, I would guess, that I believe that parents should decide what their children are allowed to see. IN THEORY, this assumption on your part is correct. However, I have cast away this particular opinion. Because parenst often have no idea how to use discretion. They often do not let their kids see movies because "they are not old enough." My own parents, for instance, were extremely strict in this matter, which I resent to this day when I am now an adult, though I do still love them. Probably, my parents own love of censorship is what makes me such a HATER of it. My parents had NO IDEA what I could have handled (I admit some children ought not watch some movies, but I think that the vast majority of children can, in fact, handle the vast majority of movies), and completely over-censored me.

Thus, I think that children should just get to pick for themselves what kind of movies they watch. The overwhelming majority will not be scarred by watching even the most graphic of movies. And even if some horror movies they watch give them nightmares or whatever, I think most children will then say, "Oh, I guess Im not a horror movie fan. Ill just stick the with the land before time." Kids are not stupid, whatever their parents/the media/the ratings board think.

So yeah, if I ever have children, I'll let them watch whatever the fuck they want, and then laugh at the censorship crowd when my children are NOT serial killers, serial rapists or serial arsonists, and say, "FUCK YOU, CENSORSHIP CROWD."

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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:20 am

Last I heard, it was only illegal to sell R-Rated and up movies to minors in a couple states, with the other businesses that refuse to furnish such entertainment to minors doing so voluntarily.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:13 am

UnknownKadath wrote:
The Dude wrote:
UnknownKadath wrote:
It took me years to really appreciate the book Naked Lunch. It still has its moments where it genuinely bugs me though. I haven't read Junky - the only other Burroughs work I've read was the Nova trilogy.
If you ever wanted to what the life of a heroin addict is without shooting smack, it's probably the best source. I thought it was pretty satisfying read.

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And yeah - Utah can do that. I have a fucking bookload on what Utah can do, truth be told - they might as well be a sovereign nation. Separation of Church and state and several other constitutional laws are thrown out the Window here. To be fair - they still stick close enough to not get Federal attention, and they still keep important laws on crimes fully intact - but they can do pretty much whatever they want 75% of the time. A more public matter than my personal one is the fact that they have overriden another sovereign nations laws - a native American land within Utahn borders - and pounded the "No Casinos" law so hard that most of the people are leaving since the only way the Chief (Who is also insane, apparently) needed money for his land so bad that he made a deal to have Energy Solutions dump nuclear waste on their land. Utah didn't care that there's now an open radiation hazard on the land, as long as they isn't gambling.

-Sigh-

God damn it Utah...Why do you suck so hard? Why do you make me wish I could wipe you off the face of the earth?

I would love it if Utah was semi-wiped from the face of the Earth. My point being, I want Utah to still be there - but I want it to be harsh, untamed desert land. That's about the one wonderful thing about this place, really. Well, and 9th and 9th. Turn 9th and 9th into an old west town, populate it with the people I actually like, and send Utah back before it was ever "The Place." Then I'll be happy. I actually don't dislike Mormons - I am not a person who "hates," and I am actually quite defensive of religion because my wife is extremely devout in the old religion of her people (Shinto) and I still retain fragments of my Jewish birthright. The weird thing is though, Mormons born outside of Utah are quite nice from what I've seen. Mormons born in Utah are spiteful, arrogant and cruel; all because of the fact that they were pushed around when they got started. Because of all the things god taught them - clearly, the golden rule wasn't one of them. >_>

Correct me if I am wrong, but the one thing I dislike about Mormons is that they no longer officially allow polygamy. When the law changed, Joseph Smith said, "Okay, guys, no more polygamy" rather than FIGHTING FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT. If I am not mistaken, now only extremist LDSs do polygamy, and therefore fuck it up, and do it with nonconsenting minors and their families and stuff, rather than consenting adult women. Mormons should, as a whole, lobby their state of Utah to reallow polygamy, it would make everyone happier. Because then the mormon men could still have four wives, but they would all be consenting nonrelated adult women, rather than nonsenting and/or related and/or minor women.

Also, otherwise Utah seems like a pretty nice place.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:21 am

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Last I heard, it was only illegal to sell R-Rated and up movies to minors in a couple states, with the other businesses that refuse to furnish such entertainment to minors doing so voluntarily.
If this is true, I am pleasantly surprised. I live in Canada, so we have to deal with the totalitarian CRTC (trust me, this organization is pure concentrated evil in the form I hate the most - government regulations that are not only inconvenient, but harmful, I hate this organization so much that every day I wake up with its decimination in mind, I fear that if it is ever really abolished, that I will have no more reason to live and kill myself). And I believe it is actually illegal to sell them to minors here, or let them into theatres, I think the ratings boards are government controlled, an outrage.

Really, a lot of things are totalitarian and draconian here, but its really not all that much better in the states. But it is somewhat better. I really want to move to Louisiana or somewhere else in the Dirty South. Preferably somewhere with casinos, which I understand are highly regulated down there, but the aboriginals can have them, and riverboats for some reason?? There appear to be a good number around NOLA?
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:42 pm

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Last I heard, it was only illegal to sell R-Rated and up movies to minors in a couple states, with the other businesses that refuse to furnish such entertainment to minors doing so voluntarily.
If this is true, I am pleasantly surprised. I live in Canada, so we have to deal with the totalitarian CRTC (trust me, this organization is pure concentrated evil in the form I hate the most - government regulations that are not only inconvenient, but harmful, I hate this organization so much that every day I wake up with its decimination in mind, I fear that if it is ever really abolished, that I will have no more reason to live and kill myself). And I believe it is actually illegal to sell them to minors here, or let them into theatres, I think the ratings boards are government controlled, an outrage.

Really, a lot of things are totalitarian and draconian here, but its really not all that much better in the states. But it is somewhat better. I really want to move to Louisiana or somewhere else in the Dirty South. Preferably somewhere with casinos, which I understand are highly regulated down there, but the aboriginals can have them, and riverboats for some reason?? There appear to be a good number around NOLA?
Laws here in the states are kind of interesting in how wildly variable they are, but to my knowledge there are Federal regulations regarding what films may be show to what age groups (except in the case of pornography). And forgive me for being presumptuous; I had just assumed you lived in the US as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:09 pm

Oh, I forgive you. There is no reason for the average American to not assume a Canadian they meet on the Internet is American. After all, we have more or less the same culture, and there's 10 times more of you than us, so odds are I would be American. And besides I am far more of a fan of your country, especailly the Dirty South, than most the people up here (who love gun control and socialism and censorship and such).
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:44 am

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Oh, I forgive you. There is no reason for the average American to not assume a Canadian they meet on the Internet is American. After all, we have more or less the same culture, and there's 10 times more of you than us, so odds are I would be American. And besides I am far more of a fan of your country, especailly the Dirty South, than most the people up here (who love gun control and socialism and censorship and such).

Ha ha ha, why do you love the 'Dirty South'? As an American I often find myself embarrassed by the south...
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:25 am

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Oh, I forgive you. There is no reason for the average American to not assume a Canadian they meet on the Internet is American. After all, we have more or less the same culture, and there's 10 times more of you than us, so odds are I would be American. And besides I am far more of a fan of your country, especailly the Dirty South, than most the people up here (who love gun control and socialism and censorship and such).
Also, with the way a forum works, I really do get the feeling sometimes that I'm just sitting here have an ordinary conversation with someone, which makes it easy to forget that they could be thousands of miles away and i couldn't tell the difference.

As for politics It's funny it's funny that while I'm generally liberal-leaning, I'm opposed to censorship, stricter gun laws,and what have you. What's a dude to do?
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:33 am

I think that too many people expect federal organizations to be their nannies for them. Instead of doing their research and looking up what's in the movies and media for themselves before they let their kids watch it, too many people expect the government to do their job for them. You've got to decide what is appropriate for your own offspring based on your own personal values instead of passing your own duty off on someone else - because what is considered 'appropriate' differs from person to person. If you are offended by racist content and the MPAA decides that a blackface minstrel eating watermelon and fried chicken is suitable for all ages, but a pair of breasts in a non-sexual context is 'adults only', you cannot put your faith in an organization that you don't see eye to eye with.

Likewise, I do not believe any media should be censored for any reason and I personally don't consider a whole lot to be particularly harmful to younger viewers, based on my own experiences. At that end, I am not the person you would want in charge to decide what is appropriate for your kids if you do not agree with me that, for example, Midnight Cowboy is a movie that a 13 year old would not be damaged by viewing.


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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:10 am

I think the perception that sexual and violent content can negatively affect kids at younger kids is a little overused, you can use it some extent, but it seems more often than not that the kids don't understand most of the stuff that was happening. My parents were never that concerned about the movies I watched, although my mom wouldn't allow us to see a few due to sex/nudity. Me and my brother saw a ton of R rated movies before we were 10, a lot with pretty violent and sexual content. Didn't seem to bother us, a lot of the sexual stuff was over our head. All the movies that I was scared of when I was younger were kids films, ones like Scream or The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Remake) never bothered me.

The biggest problem I have with the MPAA though is their scoring of non sexual nudity. Movies nowadays with even a little bit of nudity will get you an R Rating, which I don't understand because there's really nothing sexual about just nudity, we're born naked aren't we? If you've seen This Film is Not Yet Rated, you also know they tend to score homosexual sex worse than heterosexual, which is just offensive.

I could go on forever about the MPAA, but to shorten it up, I don't think it should exist. Just list the bad content in the movies and let parents decide whether they want their kids to see it, it angers me that teenagers like me that wouldn't be affected at all by stuff in R, or even NC-17 movies can't go to the theater and see them.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:37 am

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The biggest problem I have with the MPAA though is their scoring of non sexual nudity. Movies nowadays with even a little bit of nudity will get you an R Rating, which I don't understand because there's really nothing sexual about just nudity, we're born naked aren't we? If you've seen This Film is Not Yet Rated, you also know they tend to score homosexual sex worse than heterosexual, which is just offensive.
A good example: The original Fright Night, which by no means would have merited an R Rating, had it not been for one brief appearance by a topless woman.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:14 pm

I want to see how many people outside of film buffs really know what the ratings stand for. "NC-17" is particularly cryptic.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:47 pm

So that whole "No Children under 17 permitted" thing has some grey areas?
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:33 am

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I want to see how many people outside of film buffs really know what the ratings stand for. "NC-17" is particularly cryptic.

NC-17 is such a bullshit rating, it's easily caused more censorship than any other rating and probably deteriorated the quality of many great movies. It's not like theaters care about the actual content of a movie either, if the (uncut) A Serbian Film was rated R by the MPAA, I'm sure most would be showing it. When they see NC-17 though, they don't want to go into that territory, and neither do advertisers.
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