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PostSubject: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptySun Mar 13, 2011 12:19 pm

The topic should give you an idea of what I want to discuss. Now, I highly doubt that any Snobaholic s easily offended and crusades against mature content considering what our dear friend the Snob often reviews and the oft crass jokes he makes. Yet regardless, I am curious what you think of such things; what you think of the ratings system and whether or not you think it's fine as is or should undergo changes, what kind of content you personally don't like or are offended by (if any), etc. etc. If you are a parent, wish to be a parent, or are opinionated on parenting - what would you allow and what wouldn't your child to see before they hit the double digits?

I feel that the ratings system can be important, and I do strongly believe that adult content will not turn children into psychopaths, but I do feel that discretion with children under the age of 8-12 should be taken. It depends on the child and how well the parent knows the child, but at especially young ages - kids don't necessarily know the difference of "Good and Bad" and "Right from Wrong," and learn these things from their parents. If a 5 year old who is still learning this watches a hard R action movie and the parent says that it's cool or good without providing necessary context, the child may see it as something "Good" cause their parents said so. I still don't believe that they will become psychopaths unless they are already messed up in the head, but I'm hoping you get the point.

However - I don't understand the ratings system. Mainly when it comes to nudity and violence. One of my favourite movies of all time is "Mononoke Hime" (Princess Mononoke in America) and I saw it when I was about 8 and had just spent my first year in Japan. Later on, I was shocked that its American release had a PG-13 rating. Afterall, it has multiple decapitations (As well as a couple other limbs being taken off such as Lady Eboshi's arm) a scene where a character is blasted dead on with a large iron bullet that goes straight through his body, leaving a transparent hole that bleeds excessively - amongst many other bloody and gory sequences, plus as a kid the depictions of the demons was somewhat frightening. Much later on (This next film came out in 2006 instead of '97) I saw "Paprika" in a Japanese cinema, and fell in love. I was shocked when I came to America and saw an R rating on it. I quickly *facepalmed* because I realized why. Despite being a solid PG-13, it received an "R" because of a scene where Paprika uses dream essence to turn herself into a giant, but must be "born" into the dream as an infant. Like any human, she is not born with clothes on. She soon consumes dream essence or whatever, which causes her to grow rapidly. When she becomes an adult giant, she is naked and while her crotch is featureless due to Japanese decency laws - you could see her breasts. So that got it an R, despite not even being in a bloody sexual context.

I also recall a show starting on HBO or something, and it had three "TV-MA" warnings regarding nudity and it was for mature audiences. It turned out the program was an African cartoon made for little kids, but because it depicted an older era of African natives - there was toplessness, as well as a scene where the protagonists mother is breast feeding him as a baby. Naturally that's far worse than someone being bifurcated. I may be biased - I am a naturist and my parents were much more worried about violence than nudity when I was young. Unless it was in a sexist, heavily sexualized, or pornographic context - they didn't care about nudity. In fact, it helped me and my sisters not be ashamed of our bodies - and even though I am still very much attracted to the female form (And share a fondness of artistic nude photography with my wife) it also made it so that save for the early days of puberty, I never went around going "BOOBIES!" and thrilling over the idea of seeing something taboo that is something they feel must be concealed.

I sometimes get offended when I hear about parents whining about nudity or cussing but don't give a shit about violence. I know this is a video game, but I remember reading an article in GameInformer or some magazine like that which was talking about kids age 13 and younger who play more adult video games online and do really, really good. They interviewed the kids, and they also asked the parents what they felt. One 7 year old kid happened to be really good at Left 4 Dead 2. The parent commented that "Thankfully, I found a way to filter the language. I really don't mind him playing the game or other M rated games as long as I can turn off the cussing and they don't show any cleavage or bare skin." I also frequently see questions on movie forums asking about ultra-gory R rated movies and whether or not they have nudity. One parent wanted to take their 10 year old to the Friday the 13th remake, and asked if it had nudity. When I said "Yes" the mother decided that her daughter wouldn't be old enough to see it until she was 17, and was glad the remake of Texas Chain-saw didn't have any nudity so she could show her daughter that.


*facepalm*

Personally, I am not easily offended or bothered by much content. However there is one subject that does bother me: Rape. I don't feel the need to say who or go into details - but it is due large in part to the fact I witnessed one at a young age and saw how it affected the person in question. I can watch movies that deal with the subject; such as "The Virgin Spring" or "Perfect Blue," but it has to be handled a certain way and I cannot watch a film that is overtly graphic. "The Last House on the Left," "Late Night Trains," "I Spit on your Grave," and "Chaos" (Especially the last one.) are movies that sicken me. I am once again not a crusader and will not go around saying they need to be banned or that people who watch them are bad or twisted (Well, if anyone enjoyed "Chaos" I might back off from them.) but I can not watch them as they make me ill. My wife tried to get me to watch the film "Irreversible" but I could not handle the scene at the beginning, she did eventually convince me to watch it all the way through by skipping the rape scene and I did end up seeing it as a well made thriller - but I can not wash the bad taste out of my mouth from my initial attempt, and I doubt I can sit through the film again.

I'm getting ranty, so the last thing I want to do is quote South Park.

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"Remember what the MPAA says: Horrific Deplorable violence is O.K..... As long as you don't say any naughty words!"
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptySun Mar 13, 2011 1:31 pm

The american rating system is crazy. I like the one we have in my country:

- For Children (everyone can see)
- Children with adult (children of all ages can go see with an adult with them)
- 7 (You have to be atleast 7 years old to see this movie. If you have an adult with you, you can be younger)
- 11 (You have to be atleast 11 years old to see this movie. 7 year olds may see it if they have an adult with them)
- 15 (You have to be atlest 15 years old to see this movie. No exceptions.)

And thats it, in home video we also have
"Not allowed for children" which is basically "X-rated" but in cinema 15 is the highest.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptySun Mar 13, 2011 2:39 pm

I can see the merits of an organized and enforceable ratings system in place. I argue, however, in favor of more liberal standards. Filtering what content is appropriate for the consumption of children should primarily be the responsibility if the parents, not some panel of judges.

I'll agree that there's no direct correlation between violent media and violent behavior in youth. Otherwise, people like the Snob, who grew up on an exploitation-heavy diet, would be...well, it wouldn't be a good picture.

I grew up mostly on a diet of Disney films and what have you, so my folks never really needed to filter what I watched. When I was six or seven they started letting me watch baser humor like the Austin Powers films, knowing that most of the innuendos would just go over my head anyways. I was in my early teens by the time I started to develop an interest in more lurid fare, at which point they didn't really mind me watching violent content, as I had already reached the point in my moral development where I realized that while there's nothing inherently wrong with violence in film, it was very different to actually commit any such acts. They were a bit more conservative with sexual material, but never to the point where I got the feeling that they were overbearing or stifling.

My father used to be in the Navy, and still swears like a sailor when something gets him upset, so trying to stop my brother and I from hearing profane language in media would pretty much have been moot.

There's nothing I've seen that's ever really gotten under my skin. Aside from the original Friday the 13th, I've never seen a movie that had a scene with a genuine animal slaying, so while I suspect that movies like Cannibal Holocaust would be hard to deal with for that reason, I can't actually speak from experience. I don't count Friday because the scene was so brief that it may as well have not been in the movie. As for as humans go, however, pretty much anything is fair game. Anything simulated, at least. I don't do snuff.


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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptySun Mar 13, 2011 5:59 pm

The Dude wrote:
I can see the merits of an organized and enforceable ratings system in place. I argue, however, in favor of more liberal standards. Filtering what content is appropriate for the consumption of children should primarily be the responsibility if the parents, not some panel of judges.

I'll agree that there's no direct correlation between violent media and violent behavior in youth. Otherwise, people like the Snob, who grew up on an exploitation-heavy diet, would be...well, it wouldn't be a good picture.

I grew up mostly on a diet of Disney films and what have you, so my folks never really needed to filter what I watched. When I was six or seven they started letting me watch baser humor like the Austin Powers films, knowing that most of the innuendos would just go over my head anyways. I was in my early teens by the time I started to develop an interest in more lurid fare, at which point they didn't really mind me watching violent content, as I had already reached the point in my moral development where I realized that while there's nothing inherently wrong with violence in film, it was very different to actually commit any such acts. They were a bit more conservative with sexual material, but never to the point where I got the feeling that they were overbearing or stifling.

My father used to be in the Navy, and still swears like a sailor when something gets him upset, so trying to stop my brother and I from hearing profane language in media would pretty much have been moot.

There's nothing I've seen that's ever really gotten under my skin. Aside from the original Friday the 13th, I've never seen a movie that had a scene with a genuine animal slaying, so while I suspect that movies like Cannibal Holocaust would be hard to deal with for that reason, I can't actually speak from experience. I don't count Friday because the scene was so brief that it may as well have not been in the movie. As for as humans go, however, pretty much anything is fair game. Anything simulated, at least. I don't do snuff.



There was genuine animal violence in Friday the 13th? I really don't recall. Also, from what I understand the animal violence in "Holocaust" was hoaxed; though another of the "Cannibal (Insert name pertaining to mass death or something here)" trend that followed Holocaust, "Cannibal Ferox" had genuine animal violence.
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UnknownKadath wrote:

There was genuine animal violence in Friday the 13th? I really don't recall. Also, from what I understand the animal violence in "Holocaust" was hoaxed; though another of the "Cannibal (Insert name pertaining to mass death or something here)" trend that followed Holocaust, "Cannibal Ferox" had genuine animal violence.
In Friday, the snake they kill is real. In the case of Holocaust, it's kind of complicated. The animal deaths are real, but in many cases (like the monkey), it was actually the natives who urged the filmmakers to use real animals instead of dummies, because they're delicacies to the tribes.

As for my thoughts on ratings, I hate the idea that you have to be a certain age to watch movies. If you understand the difference between fantasy and reality, it shouldn't be a problem. Going by MPAA rules, I shouldn't be old enough to see most of what I watch, yet I'm not going on any murderous rampages. I like what TV does; just assign letters to what viewers might find objectionable, and apply them depending on overarching themes. For example, V for Violence, D for Drug/Alcohol use, S for Sexuality, P for Profanity, G for Gore, etc. For example, The Rocky Horror Picture Should wouldn't be restricted to viewers under 17, it would be rated SP for it's sex and occasional profanity, and viewers could decide if that's something they want to see or their kids to see. The Evil Dead would be GVP, Coffy would be VDSP, and so on. That way, rating would serve their original purpose: not censorship, but rather a guide to help moviegoers know what to expect. With the letter system, parents who hate sex and language but don't care about violence could let their kids go to movies with a G or V in the rating, but avoid S and P. It prevents double standards.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptyMon Mar 14, 2011 12:57 am

Mondo a Go-Go wrote:
UnknownKadath wrote:

There was genuine animal violence in Friday the 13th? I really don't recall. Also, from what I understand the animal violence in "Holocaust" was hoaxed; though another of the "Cannibal (Insert name pertaining to mass death or something here)" trend that followed Holocaust, "Cannibal Ferox" had genuine animal violence.
In Friday, the snake they kill is real. In the case of Holocaust, it's kind of complicated. The animal deaths are real, but in many cases (like the monkey), it was actually the natives who urged the filmmakers to use real animals instead of dummies, because they're delicacies to the tribes.
The fact that the natives urged the director to do it does not make me feel better.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptyMon Mar 14, 2011 2:34 am

The Dude wrote:
Mondo a Go-Go wrote:
UnknownKadath wrote:

There was genuine animal violence in Friday the 13th? I really don't recall. Also, from what I understand the animal violence in "Holocaust" was hoaxed; though another of the "Cannibal (Insert name pertaining to mass death or something here)" trend that followed Holocaust, "Cannibal Ferox" had genuine animal violence.
In Friday, the snake they kill is real. In the case of Holocaust, it's kind of complicated. The animal deaths are real, but in many cases (like the monkey), it was actually the natives who urged the filmmakers to use real animals instead of dummies, because they're delicacies to the tribes.
The fact that the natives urged the director to do it does not make me feel better.
And it doesn't have to, but at least it wasn't just because Deodato was cruel, it would have happened anyway when it came time for one of the tribes to make dinner.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptyMon Mar 14, 2011 4:42 am

Mondo a Go-Go wrote:
UnknownKadath wrote:

There was genuine animal violence in Friday the 13th? I really don't recall. Also, from what I understand the animal violence in "Holocaust" was hoaxed; though another of the "Cannibal (Insert name pertaining to mass death or something here)" trend that followed Holocaust, "Cannibal Ferox" had genuine animal violence.
In Friday, the snake they kill is real. In the case of Holocaust, it's kind of complicated. The animal deaths are real, but in many cases (like the monkey), it was actually the natives who urged the filmmakers to use real animals instead of dummies, because they're delicacies to the tribes.

As for my thoughts on ratings, I hate the idea that you have to be a certain age to watch movies. If you understand the difference between fantasy and reality, it shouldn't be a problem. Going by MPAA rules, I shouldn't be old enough to see most of what I watch, yet I'm not going on any murderous rampages. I like what TV does; just assign letters to what viewers might find objectionable, and apply them depending on overarching themes. For example, V for Violence, D for Drug/Alcohol use, S for Sexuality, P for Profanity, G for Gore, etc. For example, The Rocky Horror Picture Should wouldn't be restricted to viewers under 17, it would be rated SP for it's sex and occasional profanity, and viewers could decide if that's something they want to see or their kids to see. The Evil Dead would be GVP, Coffy would be VDSP, and so on. That way, rating would serve their original purpose: not censorship, but rather a guide to help moviegoers know what to expect. With the letter system, parents who hate sex and language but don't care about violence could let their kids go to movies with a G or V in the rating, but avoid S and P. It prevents double standards.

Hmm, depending on how or why the snake was killed (I don't have perfect memory of every scene of a movie I last saw 7 years ago.) it might not bother me; mainly because my wife & I practically live in the desert and snake is something we subside upon. I'll admit though that being an animal lover, she & I try to make sure it's quick. What you said about Cannibal Holocaust is... weird to me, as you pointed out it would have happened either way but I still feel like the director should have somehow made a compromise for what he showed.

I find your take on ratings interesting. The only problem I would have with it is simply how do parents keep track of such a thing if they are raising a child unable to discern the "Good/bad" "Fantasy/reality" gap at the age they are - if its just open to discretion only, it'd be easy for that kid to just go out and see it.

I always thought it was weird that RHPS was rated R. My only guess is the one F word, the nip slip, or whoever was on the board when they rated it somehow took offense to statue nudity.
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PostSubject: Re: Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc. What do you approve or disapprove of?   Your take on ratings, content, censorship - etc.  What do you approve or disapprove of? EmptyMon Mar 14, 2011 5:20 am

UnknownKadath wrote:
Mondo a Go-Go wrote:
UnknownKadath wrote:

There was genuine animal violence in Friday the 13th? I really don't recall. Also, from what I understand the animal violence in "Holocaust" was hoaxed; though another of the "Cannibal (Insert name pertaining to mass death or something here)" trend that followed Holocaust, "Cannibal Ferox" had genuine animal violence.
In Friday, the snake they kill is real. In the case of Holocaust, it's kind of complicated. The animal deaths are real, but in many cases (like the monkey), it was actually the natives who urged the filmmakers to use real animals instead of dummies, because they're delicacies to the tribes.

As for my thoughts on ratings, I hate the idea that you have to be a certain age to watch movies. If you understand the difference between fantasy and reality, it shouldn't be a problem. Going by MPAA rules, I shouldn't be old enough to see most of what I watch, yet I'm not going on any murderous rampages. I like what TV does; just assign letters to what viewers might find objectionable, and apply them depending on overarching themes. For example, V for Violence, D for Drug/Alcohol use, S for Sexuality, P for Profanity, G for Gore, etc. For example, The Rocky Horror Picture Should wouldn't be restricted to viewers under 17, it would be rated SP for it's sex and occasional profanity, and viewers could decide if that's something they want to see or their kids to see. The Evil Dead would be GVP, Coffy would be VDSP, and so on. That way, rating would serve their original purpose: not censorship, but rather a guide to help moviegoers know what to expect. With the letter system, parents who hate sex and language but don't care about violence could let their kids go to movies with a G or V in the rating, but avoid S and P. It prevents double standards.

Hmm, depending on how or why the snake was killed (I don't have perfect memory of every scene of a movie I last saw 7 years ago.) it might not bother me; mainly because my wife & I practically live in the desert and snake is something we subside upon. I'll admit though that being an animal lover, she & I try to make sure it's quick. What you said about Cannibal Holocaust is... weird to me, as you pointed out it would have happened either way but I still feel like the director should have somehow made a compromise for what he showed.

I find your take on ratings interesting. The only problem I would have with it is simply how do parents keep track of such a thing if they are raising a child unable to discern the "Good/bad" "Fantasy/reality" gap at the age they are - if its just open to discretion only, it'd be easy for that kid to just go out and see it.

I always thought it was weird that RHPS was rated R. My only guess is the one F word, the nip slip, or whoever was on the board when they rated it somehow took offense to statue nudity.
I forget the snake scene; it's either stabbed or hit with a chair. It's pretty brief, all things considered, unlike cannibal movies.

I guess if a kid is old enough to go out and see movies on his own, he should have some grasp of reality vs. fantasy, good vs. bad, etc. If the parents are not monitoring what their kid sees and the kid can't do it himself, it's the parent's fault, not the rating system, and kids/teenagers who can tell the difference shouldn't be banned from perfectly good films. With my letter system, it would give parents a better idea of the movie's themes than just "The MPAA doesn't want your kid seeing this," so it would be easier to keep track of things. Perhaps there could be another part of the rating, like for video games, that goes into specifically why the movie got the letters it did. For example, a RHPS rating could look like:

S- Strong themes of sexuality and sexual freedom
V- Murder by axe and ray gun (not graphic)
P- Occasional mild profanity in a non-sexual context
G- Brief shot of a dead body

Does that help clarify things?
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In Friday they decapitated the snake with a machete, so I'd guess it was a quick death. Replying to what Kadeth said, I'm not a vegetarian, so I obviously don't objects to killing animals for food or what have you. Killing them for entertainment? That takes me into different waters.
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The Dude wrote:
I can see the merits of an organized and enforceable ratings system in place. I argue, however, in favor of more liberal standards. Filtering what content is appropriate for the consumption of children should primarily be the responsibility if the parents, not some panel of judges.

I'll agree that there's no direct correlation between violent media and violent behavior in youth. Otherwise, people like the Snob, who grew up on an exploitation-heavy diet, would be...well, it wouldn't be a good picture.

I grew up mostly on a diet of Disney films and what have you, so my folks never really needed to filter what I watched. When I was six or seven they started letting me watch baser humor like the Austin Powers films, knowing that most of the innuendos would just go over my head anyways. I was in my early teens by the time I started to develop an interest in more lurid fare, at which point they didn't really mind me watching violent content, as I had already reached the point in my moral development where I realized that while there's nothing inherently wrong with violence in film, it was very different to actually commit any such acts. They were a bit more conservative with sexual material, but never to the point where I got the feeling that they were overbearing or stifling.

My father used to be in the Navy, and still swears like a sailor when something gets him upset, so trying to stop my brother and I from hearing profane language in media would pretty much have been moot.

There's nothing I've seen that's ever really gotten under my skin. Aside from the original Friday the 13th, I've never seen a movie that had a scene with a genuine animal slaying, so while I suspect that movies like Cannibal Holocaust would be hard to deal with for that reason, I can't actually speak from experience. I don't count Friday because the scene was so brief that it may as well have not been in the movie. As for as humans go, however, pretty much anything is fair game. Anything simulated, at least. I don't do snuff. My parents had less boadries. I got suspiria for my 10th birthday. i also rembeer seeing cannibal holocaust when i was 12.


. My parents had less boadries. I got suspiria for my 10th birthday. i also rembeer seeing cannibal holocaust when i was 12.

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Angie Matera wrote:
My parents had less boadries. I got suspiria for my 10th birthday. i also rembeer seeing cannibal holocaust when i was 12.
My folks have probably never heard of either of those...so, you know...

Then again, my dad did hand used to spend a lot of time at the drive-ins.
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In Friday they decapitated the snake with a machete, so I'd guess it was a quick death. Replying to what Kadeth said, I'm not a vegetarian, so I obviously don't objects to killing animals for food or what have you. Killing them for entertainment? That takes me into different waters.

It's an "A" not an "E." Sorry I whinge whenever it's spelled like that because I have horrible memories about my early and absolutely moronic grade school teachers who couldn't get it right ever and even threw a dunce cap on once for telling them how to spell my name, which apparently they know how to spell better than I do. /mini-rant

I do not kill for entertainment or sport. It is NOT something I do or abide by meself. Yes, sometimes my wife & I have caught fish and snakes and such; but for food. I'm actually quite bothered by trophy hunters - taxidermy is something that really not only clashes with the way I feel about sport hunting, but it's just downright creepy to walk into someones home and see a mounted coyote staring cold and dead at you.

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My parents had less boadries. I got suspiria for my 10th birthday. i also rembeer seeing cannibal holocaust when i was 12.


I kind of had two sets of parents, due to a long thing I can summarize as "Oh no I was raised by two women and the Mormons took me away from them because that's EEEEVIL, but thank god I was whisked to Japan by our neighbours and close friends saving me from a foster family;" neither family was particularly or overtly strict. I think when I was 9 I got caught with my cable routing plans, but seeing as I was quite frustrated at the BS I put up with in the Utahn courts and that seeing slashers somehow made me want to punch things less - they eventually decided that gory movies we're alright as long as they weren't pushing it into way too extreme or realistic. I think probably the worst thing I saw around age 13 was Cronenberg's "Crash." I saw it because a year earlier, I had been introduced to "The Fly" - which really cemented my love of Cronenberg and made me realize horror could be something more than just slashers, something to actually think about. I know some people who felt that Naked Lunch would've been worse at that age, but honestly, legwound sex irked me (and my parents) more than anything in Naked Lunch, 'cept maybe the scene where Julian Sands is... uhm...... a caterpillar and violating his servant. The book Naked Lunch was something I regret delving into at that age though O_O......
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It's an "A" not an "E." Sorry I whinge whenever it's spelled like that because I have horrible memories about my early and absolutely moronic grade school teachers who couldn't get it right ever and even threw a dunce cap on once for telling them how to spell my name, which apparently they know how to spell better than I do. /mini-rant

My apologies. In general, I'm a pretty awful speller. The only reason my posts are decipherable is because I have auto spell-check.

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I do not kill for entertainment or sport. It is NOT something I do or abide by meself. Yes, sometimes my wife & I have caught fish and snakes and such; but for food. I'm actually quite bothered by trophy hunters - taxidermy is something that really not only clashes with the way I feel about sport hunting, but it's just downright creepy to walk into someones home and see a mounted coyote staring cold and dead at you.

While I'm not creeped out by taxidermy, I agree on the general principle. The only time sport hunting ever really appealed to me was in the context of the movie Predator.


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I kind of had two sets of parents, due to a long thing I can summarize as "Oh no I was raised by two women and the Mormons took me away from them because that's EEEEVIL, but thank god I was whisked to Japan by our neighbours and close friends saving me from a foster family;" neither family was particularly or overtly strict.

God Damn it Utah...I didn't even know they could do that.

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The book Naked Lunch was something I regret delving into at that age though O_O......
To be honest, I still have a hard time digesting Naked Lunch. Junky I understood just fine, but Naked Lunch...still working on it.
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UnknownKadath wrote:
It's an "A" not an "E." Sorry I whinge whenever it's spelled like that because I have horrible memories about my early and absolutely moronic grade school teachers who couldn't get it right ever and even threw a dunce cap on once for telling them how to spell my name, which apparently they know how to spell better than I do. /mini-rant

My apologies. In general, I'm a pretty awful speller. The only reason my posts are decipherable is because I have auto spell-check.

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I do not kill for entertainment or sport. It is NOT something I do or abide by meself. Yes, sometimes my wife & I have caught fish and snakes and such; but for food. I'm actually quite bothered by trophy hunters - taxidermy is something that really not only clashes with the way I feel about sport hunting, but it's just downright creepy to walk into someones home and see a mounted coyote staring cold and dead at you.

While I'm not creeped out by taxidermy, I agree on the general principle. The only time sport hunting ever really appealed to me was in the context of the movie Predator.


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I kind of had two sets of parents, due to a long thing I can summarize as "Oh no I was raised by two women and the Mormons took me away from them because that's EEEEVIL, but thank god I was whisked to Japan by our neighbours and close friends saving me from a foster family;" neither family was particularly or overtly strict.

God Damn it Utah...I didn't even know they could do that.

UnknownKadath wrote:
The book Naked Lunch was something I regret delving into at that age though O_O......
To be honest, I still have a hard time digesting Naked Lunch. Junky I understood just fine, but Naked Lunch...still working on it.

It took me years to really appreciate the book Naked Lunch. It still has its moments where it genuinely bugs me though. I haven't read Junky - the only other Burroughs work I've read was the Nova trilogy.

And yeah - Utah can do that. I have a fucking bookload on what Utah can do, truth be told - they might as well be a sovereign nation. Separation of Church and state and several other constitutional laws are thrown out the Window here. To be fair - they still stick close enough to not get Federal attention, and they still keep important laws on crimes fully intact - but they can do pretty much whatever they want 75% of the time. A more public matter than my personal one is the fact that they have overriden another sovereign nations laws - a native American land within Utahn borders - and pounded the "No Casinos" law so hard that most of the people are leaving since the only way the Chief (Who is also insane, apparently) needed money for his land so bad that he made a deal to have Energy Solutions dump nuclear waste on their land. Utah didn't care that there's now an open radiation hazard on the land, as long as they isn't gambling.
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It took me years to really appreciate the book Naked Lunch. It still has its moments where it genuinely bugs me though. I haven't read Junky - the only other Burroughs work I've read was the Nova trilogy.
If you ever wanted to what the life of a heroin addict is without shooting smack, it's probably the best source. I thought it was pretty satisfying read.

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And yeah - Utah can do that. I have a fucking bookload on what Utah can do, truth be told - they might as well be a sovereign nation. Separation of Church and state and several other constitutional laws are thrown out the Window here. To be fair - they still stick close enough to not get Federal attention, and they still keep important laws on crimes fully intact - but they can do pretty much whatever they want 75% of the time. A more public matter than my personal one is the fact that they have overriden another sovereign nations laws - a native American land within Utahn borders - and pounded the "No Casinos" law so hard that most of the people are leaving since the only way the Chief (Who is also insane, apparently) needed money for his land so bad that he made a deal to have Energy Solutions dump nuclear waste on their land. Utah didn't care that there's now an open radiation hazard on the land, as long as they isn't gambling.

-Sigh-

God damn it Utah...Why do you suck so hard? Why do you make me wish I could wipe you off the face of the earth?
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It took me years to really appreciate the book Naked Lunch. It still has its moments where it genuinely bugs me though. I haven't read Junky - the only other Burroughs work I've read was the Nova trilogy.
If you ever wanted to what the life of a heroin addict is without shooting smack, it's probably the best source. I thought it was pretty satisfying read.

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And yeah - Utah can do that. I have a fucking bookload on what Utah can do, truth be told - they might as well be a sovereign nation. Separation of Church and state and several other constitutional laws are thrown out the Window here. To be fair - they still stick close enough to not get Federal attention, and they still keep important laws on crimes fully intact - but they can do pretty much whatever they want 75% of the time. A more public matter than my personal one is the fact that they have overriden another sovereign nations laws - a native American land within Utahn borders - and pounded the "No Casinos" law so hard that most of the people are leaving since the only way the Chief (Who is also insane, apparently) needed money for his land so bad that he made a deal to have Energy Solutions dump nuclear waste on their land. Utah didn't care that there's now an open radiation hazard on the land, as long as they isn't gambling.

-Sigh-

God damn it Utah...Why do you suck so hard? Why do you make me wish I could wipe you off the face of the earth?

I would love it if Utah was semi-wiped from the face of the Earth. My point being, I want Utah to still be there - but I want it to be harsh, untamed desert land. That's about the one wonderful thing about this place, really. Well, and 9th and 9th. Turn 9th and 9th into an old west town, populate it with the people I actually like, and send Utah back before it was ever "The Place." Then I'll be happy. I actually don't dislike Mormons - I am not a person who "hates," and I am actually quite defensive of religion because my wife is extremely devout in the old religion of her people (Shinto) and I still retain fragments of my Jewish birthright. The weird thing is though, Mormons born outside of Utah are quite nice from what I've seen. Mormons born in Utah are spiteful, arrogant and cruel; all because of the fact that they were pushed around when they got started. Because of all the things god taught them - clearly, the golden rule wasn't one of them. >_>
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It took me years to really appreciate the book Naked Lunch. It still has its moments where it genuinely bugs me though. I haven't read Junky - the only other Burroughs work I've read was the Nova trilogy.
If you ever wanted to what the life of a heroin addict is without shooting smack, it's probably the best source. I thought it was pretty satisfying read.

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And yeah - Utah can do that. I have a fucking bookload on what Utah can do, truth be told - they might as well be a sovereign nation. Separation of Church and state and several other constitutional laws are thrown out the Window here. To be fair - they still stick close enough to not get Federal attention, and they still keep important laws on crimes fully intact - but they can do pretty much whatever they want 75% of the time. A more public matter than my personal one is the fact that they have overriden another sovereign nations laws - a native American land within Utahn borders - and pounded the "No Casinos" law so hard that most of the people are leaving since the only way the Chief (Who is also insane, apparently) needed money for his land so bad that he made a deal to have Energy Solutions dump nuclear waste on their land. Utah didn't care that there's now an open radiation hazard on the land, as long as they isn't gambling.

-Sigh-

God damn it Utah...Why do you suck so hard? Why do you make me wish I could wipe you off the face of the earth?

I would love it if Utah was semi-wiped from the face of the Earth. My point being, I want Utah to still be there - but I want it to be harsh, untamed desert land. That's about the one wonderful thing about this place, really. Well, and 9th and 9th. Turn 9th and 9th into an old west town, populate it with the people I actually like, and send Utah back before it was ever "The Place." Then I'll be happy. I actually don't dislike Mormons - I am not a person who "hates," and I am actually quite defensive of religion because my wife is extremely devout in the old religion of her people (Shinto) and I still retain fragments of my Jewish birthright. The weird thing is though, Mormons born outside of Utah are quite nice from what I've seen. Mormons born in Utah are spiteful, arrogant and cruel; all because of the fact that they were pushed around when they got started. Because of all the things god taught them - clearly, the golden rule wasn't one of them. >_>
Organization can make evil even the best of ideas, I suppose. I'm not attacking religion, by the way, being Christain myself. I'm just marveling at the degree to which they have fucked up.
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Heh, I just started reading Naked Lunch for school. I always get stuck with the difficult reads - Oliver Twist, A Clockwork Orange, etc.
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A Clockwork Orange was pretty smooth for me. Once you get the language under your fingers, it's pretty straight-forward.
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A Clockwork Orange was pretty smooth for me. Once you get the language under your fingers, it's pretty straight-forward.

I agree, and it was pretty interesting once you get over all of the slang. It's almost like learning a new language, in a way, whereas Oliver Twist was impossible to comprehend without the handy index of definitions I had.
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A Clockwork Orange was pretty smooth for me. Once you get the language under your fingers, it's pretty straight-forward.

I agree, and it was pretty interesting once you get over all of the slang. It's almost like learning a new language, in a way, whereas Oliver Twist was impossible to comprehend without the handy index of definitions I had.
I find Nadsat easier to understand than cockney.
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Cockney is not unlike Shakespearian language in the way that the meanings have almost no context in modern day.
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Cockney is not unlike Shakespearian language in the way that the meanings have almost no context in modern day.
The fundamental problem with Shakesperean language for me is that the man had a dirty streak that would make Libidomania look tame, but no one gets the jokes anymore, thereby making the passage at best boring and at worst incomprehensible. As Terry Pratchett said, "Mind you, the Elizabethans had so many words for the female genitals that it is quite hard to speak a sentence of modern English without inadvertently mentioning at least three of them." At lest with Cockney the lack of modern context only makes things sound really bizarre since the roots of the slang is obscured, but it doesn't change the context of the story.
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Heh, I just started reading Naked Lunch for school. I always get stuck with the difficult reads - Oliver Twist, A Clockwork Orange, etc.

I didn't find Oliver Twist or A Clockwork Orange massively hard. Then again, I was raised by an English Linguist and know quite a bit about various dialects of English; even older ones, and with A Clockwork Orange, I had it down thanks to a friend who had a copy with the Nadsat glossary (Mine didn't actually have it, because I have an old Brit copy.). Plus by the team I read the book, I had picked up on a lot of Nadsat having seen the movie several times.

I just realized how way off, off, off topic we are. D'oh well.
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